Reply to “Comments on ‘MSE minus CAPE is the True Conserved Variable for an Adiabatically Lifted Parcel’”
Abstract
A standard convention in moist thermodynamics, adopted by D. M. Romps and others, is to set the specific energy and entropy of dry air and liquid water to zero at the triple-point temperature and pressure. P. Marquet claims that this convention leads to physically incorrect results. To support this claim, Marquet presents numerical calculations of a lifted parcel. It is shown here that the claim is false and that the numerical calculations of Marquet are in error. In the context of a simple two-phase thermodynamic system, an analysis is presented here of the freedoms one has to choose additive constants in the definitions of energy and entropy. Many other misconceptions are corrected as well.
- Authors:
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- Univ. of California, Berkeley, CA (United States). Dept. of Earth and Planetary Science; Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. (LBNL), Berkeley, CA (United States). Climate and Ecosystem Sciences Division
- Publication Date:
- Research Org.:
- Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. (LBNL), Berkeley, CA (United States)
- Sponsoring Org.:
- USDOE Office of Science (SC), Biological and Environmental Research (BER)
- OSTI Identifier:
- 1471016
- Grant/Contract Number:
- AC02-05CH11231
- Resource Type:
- Accepted Manuscript
- Journal Name:
- Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
- Additional Journal Information:
- Journal Volume: 73; Journal Issue: 6; Journal ID: ISSN 0022-4928
- Publisher:
- American Meteorological Society
- Country of Publication:
- United States
- Language:
- English
- Subject:
- 54 ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES; Physical Meteorology and Climatology; Energy budget/balance; Entropy; Thermodynamics
Citation Formats
Romps, David M. Reply to “Comments on ‘MSE minus CAPE is the True Conserved Variable for an Adiabatically Lifted Parcel’”. United States: N. p., 2016.
Web. doi:10.1175/JAS-D-15-0334.1.
Romps, David M. Reply to “Comments on ‘MSE minus CAPE is the True Conserved Variable for an Adiabatically Lifted Parcel’”. United States. https://doi.org/10.1175/JAS-D-15-0334.1
Romps, David M. Mon .
"Reply to “Comments on ‘MSE minus CAPE is the True Conserved Variable for an Adiabatically Lifted Parcel’”". United States. https://doi.org/10.1175/JAS-D-15-0334.1. https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1471016.
@article{osti_1471016,
title = {Reply to “Comments on ‘MSE minus CAPE is the True Conserved Variable for an Adiabatically Lifted Parcel’”},
author = {Romps, David M.},
abstractNote = {A standard convention in moist thermodynamics, adopted by D. M. Romps and others, is to set the specific energy and entropy of dry air and liquid water to zero at the triple-point temperature and pressure. P. Marquet claims that this convention leads to physically incorrect results. To support this claim, Marquet presents numerical calculations of a lifted parcel. It is shown here that the claim is false and that the numerical calculations of Marquet are in error. In the context of a simple two-phase thermodynamic system, an analysis is presented here of the freedoms one has to choose additive constants in the definitions of energy and entropy. Many other misconceptions are corrected as well.},
doi = {10.1175/JAS-D-15-0334.1},
journal = {Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences},
number = 6,
volume = 73,
place = {United States},
year = {Mon Jun 13 00:00:00 EDT 2016},
month = {Mon Jun 13 00:00:00 EDT 2016}
}
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